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@@ -83,4 +83,24 @@ This rule takes precedence over every other rule determining the winner.
- `3.3` Any number of players may at any time form a team. A team is formed when one player declares their intention to form a team with any number of other players, and then all of these other players accept. These declarations and acceptance statements must be communicated to all players at the moment they are made. When a team is formed all players not on that team immediately roll 1d6 and add the result to their point total. Players who are in a team together are considered teammates.
-- `3.4` When this rule is passed for the first time Dylan and epsilon_nought each gain 15 points. This rule has no other effect. Repealing this rule has no effect other than making it's ordinal number available again.
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+- `3.4` When this rule is passed for the first time Dylan and epsilon_nought each gain 15 points. This rule has no other effect. Repealing this rule has no effect other than making it's ordinal number available again.
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+### **`[3.5]`** Non-Rule Data
+Players and rules may interact with information external to the ruleset; this rule facilitates the indexing and existence of such information.
+- `3.5a` Rule Data is any subset of the Universe currently contained wholly and constructively within the logical span of the current set of Rules
+- `3.5b` Non-Rule Data (NRD) is the complement of Rule Data
+- `3.5c` NRD is considered 'in scope' or 'scoped' iff it meets the following conditions:
+ - Consists of media or information intended for use within this Nomic, and a unique identifying name
+ - Can be accessed readily by all players alongside the set of Rules
+ - Does not by neccessity depend on resources or tools external to this Nomic and its implementation
+ - Is indexed explicitly via this rule (see below)
+- `3.5d` Scoped NRD that is referenced by name in least one other Rule is considered 'in play'.
+- `3.5e` NRD, scoped or otherwise not currently in play have no effect outside of this rule, even if another rule would allow this. NRD in play may only interact with the game in ways directly specified by rules, even if another rule would allow this.
+- `3.5f` For resolving conflicts involving NRD, all other rules which refer to the relevant NRD are consulted first in numerical order, then this rule becomes contested by default if not resolved. (This prevents conflicts which cannot be resolved within the Rules)
+- `3.5g` If a player wishes to introduce NRD along with a rule which requires it, they must make available all relevant NRD before voting can begin, and how it will be accessed going forwards. If that proposal is adopted, this rule can be modified without rule change to sanction the proposed NRD. This modification is tracked as a rule change to this amendment seperately from the main proposal
+- `3.5h` The following NRD are currently scoped
+- `3.5i` Once created, sanctioned NRD may not be modified except by ways permitted by rules which reference them.
+ - Turn order list & Player point totals
+ - Game status
+ - Rule actions Archive
+ - Definitions
Debate
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Dylan
Unfortunately we still don’t have subrules, so the indexing here is purely for visual separation
Proposal
3.2.1 -> 3.5 Non-Rule Data
Players and rules may interact with information external to the ruleset; this rule facilitates the indexing and existence of such information.
3.5a Rule Data is any subset of the Universe currently contained wholly and constructively within the logical span of the current set of Rules
3.5b Non-Rule Data (NRD) is the complement of Rule Data
3.5c NRD is considered ‘Sanctioned’ iff it meets the following conditions:
Consists of media or information intended for use within this Nomic, and a unique identifying name
Can be accessed readily by all players alongside the set of Rules
Does not by neccessity depend on resources or tools external to this Nomic and its implementation
Is indexed explicitly via this rule (see below)
3.5d Sanctioned NRD that is referenced by name in least one other Rule is considered ‘in play’.
3.5e NRD, sanctioned or otherwise not currently in play have no effect outside of this rule, even if another rule would allow this. NRD in play may only interact with the game in ways directly specified by rules, even if another rule would allow this.
3.5f For resolving conflicts involving NRD, all other rules which refer to the relevant NRD are consulted first in numerical order, then this rule becomes contested by default if not resolved. (This prevents conflicts which cannot be resolved within the Rules)
3.5g If a player wishes to introduce NRD along with a rule which requires it, they must make available all relevant NRD before voting can begin, and how it will be accessed going forwards. If that proposal is adopted, this rule can be modified without rule change to sanction the proposed NRD.
3.5h The following NRD are currently Sanctioned
Turn order list & Player point totals
Game status
Rule actions Archive
Definitions
Then I would also like to make available the NRD titled Definitions, containing one line
a die is one fair d6.
Dylan
Oh I forgot a line
Proposed amendment:
3.5i Once created, sanctioned NRD may not be modified except by ways permitted by rules which reference them.
epsilon_nought
I would prefer to have 3.5g labelled as a specific new rules-change action, perhaps we can call it substantiation, for ease of reference and for making triggers that reference the creation of new NRD. My amendment would be something like
3.5g New Game action (substantiation) As a rule action, a player may introduce new NRD. The player must make all relevant NRD before voting can begin, and how it will be accessed going forwards. The substantiated new NRD is subject to the same timing restriction as a new rule under 1.07. The new NRD must also be tracked under 3.5h
Furthermore, I suggest a change of wording, sanctioned -> admissible, since I think sanctioned is likely to be used in a different context in the future.
These are mostly just flavour changes though.
Dylan
So I could make it a game action, but the idea is you propose a rule and all the relevant NRD all at the same time like we have been doing anyway
Like the turn list
Otherwise it would take two full turns to implement something like that
epsilon_nought
I intended to keep the whole things as a single action, what makes it sound like two seperate actions?
Dylan
It sounds like you’re using your turn to take this action instead of proposing a rule change
epsilon_nought
I intended that this action should be one of the “rule change actions” available to the player
How about…
3.5g Introducing new NRD is called substantiation and is counted as a rules change under 2.02. To substantiate , a player introduces new NRD along with a rule using the NRD. The player must make all relevant NRD available before voting can begin, and describe how it will be accessed going forwards. Any new NRD is automatically amended to 3.5h.
Dylan
Ok that makes a lot more sense, it is a separate rules change for anything that cares about that but happens simultaneously with another rule change
Functionally the rules change can be tracked as the amendment to 3.5
epsilon_nought
Yes, a “rules change” I think can include the changing of multiple rules, it is just that the “rule change” actions currently supported are the transmutation, repeal or enactment of a single rule.
I think that a definition of player actions including “rules change” actions and other actions like team forming might also be useful to add to the definitions doc, to keep track of the different gameplay actions, at least until they are codified in the rules.
I also don’t like substantiation as a name anymore, but I still think something different form the language of “sanction”
Dylan
I’ll let someone else do that in the future
I was thinking “in scope” or just “scoped”
epsilon_nought
So ideally there is a name for the action of creating NRD and then an adjective for them.
Dylan
Ok, I’ll revise it sometime this evening
epsilon_nought
I’ll work on adding a definitions page to the website, assuming SalmonCannon lets this pass
SalmonCannon
I sanction this substantiation
epsilon_nought
Misuse of the sanctions is punishable by further sanctions
Dylan
Final form of the amendment
3.2.1 -> 3.5 Non-Rule Data
Players and rules may interact with information external to the ruleset; this rule facilitates the indexing and existence of such information.
3.5a Rule Data is any subset of the Universe currently contained wholly and constructively within the logical span of the current set of Rules
3.5b Non-Rule Data (NRD) is the complement of Rule Data
3.5c NRD is considered ‘in scope’ or ‘scoped’ iff it meets the following conditions:
Consists of media or information intended for use within this Nomic, and a unique identifying name
Can be accessed readily by all players alongside the set of Rules
Does not by neccessity depend on resources or tools external to this Nomic and its implementation
Is indexed explicitly via this rule (see below)
3.5d Scoped NRD that is referenced by name in least one other Rule is considered ‘in play’.
3.5e NRD, scoped or otherwise not currently in play have no effect outside of this rule, even if another rule would allow this. NRD in play may only interact with the game in ways directly specified by rules, even if another rule would allow this.
3.5f For resolving conflicts involving NRD, all other rules which refer to the relevant NRD are consulted first in numerical order, then this rule becomes contested by default if not resolved. (This prevents conflicts which cannot be resolved within the Rules)
3.5g If a player wishes to introduce NRD along with a rule which requires it, they must make available all relevant NRD before voting can begin, and how it will be accessed going forwards. If that proposal is adopted, this rule can be modified without rule change to sanction the proposed NRD. This modification is tracked as a rule change to this amendment seperately from the main proposal
3.5h The following NRD are currently scoped
3.5i Once created, sanctioned NRD may not be modified except by ways permitted by rules which reference them.
Turn order list & Player point totals
Game status
Rule actions Archive
Definitions
Then I would also like to make available the NRD titled Definitions, containing one line
a die is one fair d6.
Apparently discord has a message limit
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Proposal passes 3v0
*Dyland gains
epsilon_nought
I love democracy
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